kleptomania
thank you so much for writing back to me, now that i have read about other people who posted in here i see that there are many people that are stuck also like me. my case or story is all circumstional that had let me to this. i am grieving the loss of my family members that i haven't seen for over 20 years my father, mother and beloved brother, my divorce after 27 years of marriage, there is a cycle in my life that is chosen from the heavens i guess and that is being alone. the cycle happened again by my son my moving out to another city, and my daughter will soon do the same. i feel alone yet there is a big shining star in my heart that keeps me going. wow i said a lot now. as for a therapist i am desperate to see one, but there hourly rate is so high and i can't afford it. i keep telling my dr my physican that i need help but nothing is happening. thank you and my God bless you too.
Hi there jjy.
I have been struggling with kleptomania for more than twenty years. I have been in recovery for nearly six months now, which doesn't
seem like much but when you're living day by day it's an impressive number.
I could NEVER have done it without these three components:
1) INTENSIVE counseling. I'm talking at least once a week, counselor on speed dial, counseling. You need to go into it with the policy of
complete honesty and the willingness to work very hard and get into recovery. A counselor is bound by law to keep anything you tell
him confidential, so anything you tell him stays between you. That will allow you to be completely honest and give your counselor all
the information that he needs to help you.
You do not have to find a counselor that specializes in kleptomania, although that would obviously be most beneficial. You can find
someone that deals with addictive behavior, or someone that specializes in stress and anxiety disorders.
As far as payment goes, I have this to offer: Many churches have some sort of program set up to help their members get counseling. If
there is a church like this in your area, contact them and ask for help. If there are no such churches, talk to your
minister/priest/clergyman and ask him to counsel you. Again, anything that you tell clergy is CONFIDENTIAL (unless you tell him that
you are planning on harming yourself or others).
Counseling is by FAR the most important aspect of recovery. I can not emphasize enough how important it is that you get into some
sort of therapy. If none of my solutions work, send me a message and I'll try and offer more suggestions.
2) The second essential aspect of recovery from kleptomania is to have a support group. This is not something that you can do on your
own (at least not for long), and having people to whom you can turn in a pinch is more valuable than I can describe.
This is, without a doubt, the hardest part of the recovery process. Kleptomania is a very secretive disorder, and very poorly understood, and asking for help involves confessing to someone that you have been not only breaking the law (because that's just part of it). Our society, in general, does not understand kleptomania or those of us who struggle with it. We are fine with drug addictions, alcoholism, smokers, compulsive gamblers, hoarders, eatting disorders...but put a kleptomania sufferer in front of us and it's all, "Whoa, you're a WHAT?"
But you have to have support! Choose three or four (or more or less) people who you trust, and wh have proven themselves to be trustworthy when it comes to not gossiping or sharing secrets. This is not the time to worry about hurt feelings. Don't ask your sister to be in your support group just because you've always been close. If she can't keep a secret, find someone else.
Sit down with the people that you have chosen, either one at a time or all together. In my case, I talked to my husband first, and then he and I sat down with three other people. Your support group needs to know a few things up front. a) What is going on with you. In my case, I confessed that I had been struggling with this for more than two decades, and I have never gone more than a week without stealing. b) What you need from them. This will vary from person to person, but at first it will probably be someone to go shopping with you, and to check up on you and hold you accountable. My sister still texts me several times a day to make sure that I am abe to resist temptation. For me, it's helpful to know that if I give in and steal something, she will be calling in a few hours and I will have let her down. As time goes on, though, you may find that all you need is a person to call when you are feeling weak. Let your support group know that they are free to ask any questions, and try to be honest with them, too. (Side note: If you have a pending legal case, let your support group know that you can't tell them everything just yet, because they can be called to testify against you.)
Like I said, this is by far and away the hardest part of your recovery process. You have to bare your soul, and confessing this kind of things to people that you love, and possibly losing their trust, is terrifying. But take it one step at a time, ask them for patience, and remeber that you are taking a big step to improve your life!
3) The third thing that I needed for recovery was my faith. This was actually a bit of a struggle for me, too. I thought that as soon as I stopped stealing I would be closer to God, but it didn't turn out that way at all. In fact, I felt like He was becoming more and more distant. (This was eventually resolved, but the struggle is so personal that I don't feel comfortable sharing yet.)
But I can say for certain that without faith my recovery would have been much, much more difficult. I needed to have the assurance that God was the only one that could judge me (besides a judge, of course), and that no matter what, I knew that He did not see me as this thief, He saw me as His daughter.
I sort of minimized this aspect, I admit, because I do not know if you are a Christian, and I do not want you to disregard everything else that I have said previously. :)
One last thing that I need to say:
I have noticed, through the course of my recovery, that the times when I am the weakest and most steal-y is when I am, or feel like I am, out of control of my life. My kleptomania manifested when I was five, and I was put through a situation that was traumatizing for a child. I have observed that over the course of my life, my worst episodes were when I was going through trauma. I started a new school in a new town, BAM! I ramped up the stealing. My parents moved us to a different country, BAM! I ramped up the stealing. My marriage started to fail, BAM! I ramped up the stealing.
This means that you HAVE TO BE ON ALERT. It sound like there is a lot going on in your life right now, and the last thing that you need is the guilt that theft causes.
And to end on a positive note: Kleptomania is not who you are. You are not defined by your struggles.
I hope this helps you. I check back every so often, and I am here for you.
God bless,
Aynne
"Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid: do noy be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go."
Joshua 1:9
thank you so much for your nice reply, i have been struggling with this for 11 years, everything that you have said is true, from faith, to councelling, i am starting my councelling on dec 4 few days from now, you know what i think that i need to be in isolation, i need to be far aways from our everyday's live, from every temptation, but as you had said earlier it is true that this adi diction is not treated like the ohters, sometimes i wish i was alcoholic or something else. the thing that i just had told my best friend about my kletomanai the other day, and this is the truth , i love doing it, it is a thrill to me, my heart beat , my anger my adrenalin all of it combined i come back home relieved then the other cycle begins. i am a catholic christian and i believe so much in God and in Jesus Christ but i am more in love with God, i talk to him most of the time, and believe it or not i feel his powers all over me even though i am doing what i'm doing . i cant continue writing maybe later i will .. thanks a lot and may God bless each and every one of us.
Hi Anne,
Reading your comment helped me very much. I have just come from being taken to jail for the 2nd time for stealing and when I tell all the other women in the jail that I steal, they go "what??". Yeah, and they drink, do drugs, beat people up, on and on, but like u said, when it comes to kleptomania, there is no understanding.
And yes, stress in your life leads to BAM STEALING. How have u learned to live without the incredible high one gets from stealing? And how do I learn that I WILL WITHOUT ANY DOUBT BE CAUGHT AND I CANNOT DO IT ONE MORE TIME BECAUSE THIS TIME I WON'T GET CAUGHT?
thanks a lot,
Pam
hello pam, i got your message and my name is randa not anne, but it is ok , i have started my therapy about 2 months ago, i have learned a lot about myself, no not from therapy but from this stealing thing. you know what my goal is , it is to open up a group theray sessions for people like us, because kleptomania is a serious addiction. i also noticed that you have asked for a phone number, i can give you my cell number and feel free to call any time you would like. one thing i did to help myself though, is that i put myself under house arrest for 3 months , so that i could be far away from all the tempetations. God bless you all. 613 302-2309
Hi Randa,
Sorry I got your name wrong :-)
I can't thank u enough for your phone #. I think your idea oa house arrest is a great one, but I have no one to shop for me. But after reading some of the posts at this site last night, I felt stronger in the store today.
When stealing, I always went in with a bamboo bag that was prety large and open at the top. If i don't go in with anything to put stuff in, I cannot take it. This helps me a lot. I am now going to leave my purse locked in the car so I can't slip anything into that and just go in with a pouch around my waist with my wallet in it. I once went in with no wallet only to find that THAT is a crime!
Are u going to therapy in person? I am going to try to arrange it.
Thank you so much for reaching out to me,
God bless,
Pam
hello pam, i am happy that you are trying and i am trying as well. i am doing councelling in person, but for the last 2 times i asked to do it over the phone because i felt weak to go out, i was scared of getting weak to stop by a store or something. but last week i went in person. you know what i did just before christmas, i have a son and a daughter, my son is 26 and my daughter is 20. just a week before christmas i sat them both down and i told them everything about me. they both were shocked but very very suportive, since that day i feel so good, that is why my daughter now does the groceries for me. where do you live pam, i live in ottawa. i will say it out loud, kleptomania is a rough, rugged addiction, and no one has the right to look down at any one of us, i pray to God to give me the power to help every person who needs help in this, becsuse it is all caused by depression, loneliness , lack of social life and much more. God bless
Hi Randa,
Yes, yes, kleptomania is a rough,rugged addiction. It began for me when my mom was very sick and abandoned me emotionally and financially. I was brought up in an upper middle class home and expected to marry a well to do man. Well, that plan did not fit me and I was never taught about managing money and being intelligent with it b/c my husband was supposed to do it.
Well, the major flaw in this plan is 1) no one taught me about money and 2) that I am gay, lol. My partner also came from the same kind of home and she also knew nothing about money. It is very sad b/c we had a chance to make a lot of money in real estate and did not know enough to do it. Barbara DID know enough, but she did not have the self confidence to do it and I did not support her b/c I was too stupid.
She and I used to steal together and we felt absolutely invulnerable. We felt we deserved it for the ways life had fucked us over, the many ways. She always told me I was a lousy thief and she was sure right. But she died about 2 1/2 years ago at a very young age and that plunged me into wild stealing and accumulating. I have so many gym outfits that I need a quarter of the closet for all the clothes. It is ridiculous but I feel empty inside. I also steal food b/c I am afraid I will starve. None of this makes any sense.
I am angry,depressed,lonely all b/c I am without the love of my life. If I don't think about her, I do not feel any of those things.
What is going on in your life that makes u feel these emotions?
God bless.
P
hi pam,
i am so sorry for your loss, i went through a few of them and i know how hard it is to loose a loved one. you know what pam, i am like you , i never knew how to manage money and still not good at it. i know that probably mismanaging our lives had led us to this situation. in my case i was married for 27 years but i was never happy, it was so miserable, yet i had a happy heart and still do, i believe in God and his powers and that there is somehting strong that is always looking over me. i am a very honest and good hearted woman, would never steal from a person , but when i go to a mall or shopping centre , i had no sympathy for them. 8 years ago i decided to get a divorce , the best thing that had ever happened in my life. i know there is a cure, i believe in it, we just have to work hard , fully from our mind, heart, emotions , it is a big fight, i am going through some rough times fighting it, but i will continue to do so. you know what , each and every person has a fault, has done something wrong, no one is perfect, that is why we should keep our heads up, be proud of who we are, and try to look at some positive points in our lives bec, i am sure there is a lot of goodness in each and every one of us.
love and peace to you
rh
Hi Randa,
you wrote:
"you know what , each and every person has a fault, has done something wrong, no one is perfect, that is why we should keep our heads up, be proud of who we are, and try to look at some positive points in our lives bec, i am sure there is a lot of goodness in each and every one of us."
This is a very helpful thought for me. Even the most honest person has done something wrong and they are not perfect.
I went into the grocery store and Starbucks today and DID NOT STEAL!! I am proud of myself. I was thinking to myself that I am a diabetic and I just don't eat sugar, it is not in my food choices, so couldn't I do the same thing with stealing? Just don't do it. I am going to try and also call tomorrow about therapy.
I am glad that your divorce was the best thing for you. There is nothing worse than living with someone you do not like and do not care for. I just got a kitten and it feels so good to have someone in the house to talk to and to love!
Have a good Sunday. Are u watching the Academy Awards tonite?
best and God bless,
Pam
hello pam,
i am so glad that you liked my thought and found it to be helpful because it is true. unfortuantely i did not watch the awards tonight. i am glad that we have this dialogue open and the discussion going , it is so good and liberating i find to talk about our feelings and express them honestly. you know what i have told my therapist last week, i told her that i miss it, i know that it is sad to to say that , but this is the truth, i miss doing it, and i also told her that i kinda still have the intention inside of me, even though i have every intention to stop, it is a battle, a struggle, a curse that we have to fight.
have a geat night pam
love and peace to you
Yes Randa, I miss it too. I love doing it, it makes me high. If it is an addiction like any other, it will always be inside of us. I stopped for quite a while once but when I did it once again it began all over for me; it get its claws into u and it is so hard to pry them out.
I too am glad that we have this discussion and dialogue for I surely need somebody who understands what I am going thru. My best friend thinks I was arrested for yelling at an old woman,elder abuse. I cannot bear to tell her the truth... yet.
I am sleepy now, but will look forward to getting to talk to u more this week.
Pam
hello pam, don't know why i got worried about you, i just hope that you are safe and out of trouble. may the lord be with you always.
randa
Hi Randa,
It's amazing that u were worried about me b/c I fell off the wagon yesterday in Target. I was feeling angry and scared and it was just so damn EASY to steal. I feel so bad about myself,so disgusted with myself,angry and scared.
I watch my diet and days I eat a lot, I write off and start over the next day. But you can't always write off stealing b/c u can get caught.
I know I could have called u for which I thank u very much but I wanted to steal!!
Then I had made plans to go to Miami to hear jazz and remembered that I am not allowed to go to that county. FUCK!!
I have also stolen other things I will tell u about on the phone which have me really frightened. I will try to call u later today, Sat.
thanks for your worry,
best,
Pam
im so glad that you are ok though, its ok pam, but keep trying and fighting, i will admit to you too , i fell of the wagon too, a few days back, i felt horrible about it, but i will keep on trying. please be carefull bec they say that target security is very tough. be happy pam .. if you live in ottawa , we can always meet for coffee if you like.\
randa
Hi jjy, I'm so glad that you responded!
A few things struck me about what you said.
The thing about kleptomania (and I think probably any addictive behavior, but I don't know for sure) is that you will absolutely not get it under control unless you make a concentrated effort to try. Counseling is most definitely the first step, but it also takes a HUGE amount of willpower and belief in yourself. Having faith is certainly a factor-you know that you have someone else to rely on, who won't judge you for the sins that you make as long as you seek His forgiveness.
Also, I'm so glad that you found a counselor that you can start seeing! He or she will probably have to do some research on kleptomania-it's not a common disorder-to tell you if he or she can treat you and to make sure that he or she knows what it is. When I started counseling my therapist was not at all sure that she was the one for me. But I went in with a mind for getting this under control, and with her help, and a support group, and God's guidance, I have been successful so far.
Here's something else that you may not have considered: There are two major differences between kleptomania and alcoholism or drug addiction. With alcohol, the substance itself is inherently addictive. Drugs too. But with kleptomania, it's our brains that do the addicting. That means that in a way, it is easier to fight. On the other hand, alcohol is just what's in the bottle. (Not to discount the struggle that alcoholics face, by any means!) Things to steal can be found any place, any time. You can tell your friend that you are alcoholic, and to hide the liquor. But it's a little bit harder to say, "Get rid of anything I can steal," especially since with kleptomania the objects are often things that don't have a whole lot of dollar value.
Another MAJOR part of kleptomania is the thrill. After I stopped stealing, it took me more than four months before I felt actually happy again. Contrary to what I would have believed, bettering myself (giving up stealing) actually pushed me into depression! I thought that I would feel better about myself, more self confident and whole, when I stopped stealing. Instead, I considered suicide for the first time in my life.
But you can't let that stop you! Talk to your therapist (I prefer the term counselor, it seems less clinical), and make sure that he knows how you're feeling. He has all the tools that you need, and can work with you on a much more personal basis.
I hope that this has helped. Good luck with counseling, and I hope it works!
Aynne
"Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go."
Joshua 1:9
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Is there any possibility to talk to a professional therapist, because she or he can explain to you the reason why you are thinking like this. They will help you and will guide you. Wishing you to feel better. God bless you.